A true family will love you no matter what and will never leave you. The majority of JWs don't have loving families. As only horrible person won't talk to a parent or a child depending on their religious views. I only wish a lot of courage to people who can't leave the Organisation because they know their family will turn their back on them. I know a couple of people myself who are trapped. I hope these people will become brave and not to be afraid to make the step. Bevause if their family truly loves them they won't stop interacting.
Alex Bogdanov
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The emotionally manipulative techniques JW families use.
by stuckinarut2 ini am really disturbed by some methods that jw family members try and use to emotionally manipulate us back into the organization.. one of our fellow posters here has had a family member send several photos of them as a child either out witnessing, and at an assembly.. no words - just those pictures.. it seems such an infantile and manipulative technique to employ?!.
do they think that we will all simply ignore the logical and factual reasons we no longer attend, just because we see some sentimental picture?
do they not see that this actually may reinforce our understanding that we were raised as children in a high-control religious group where we had to please our parents.
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Receiving so much hate recently....
by stuckinarut2 inwell, as you all know, my wife (unstuck) and i are not df or da.. we just stopped attending several years back after my "apostate" online activity was found by a nosey employee of ours while she was working in our office (long story if anyone wants to know - it would have to be another thread).
we never met with any elders - no congregation judicial activity occurred (as we would never consent to do so anyway).
so our policy has been to be the same kind, loving, normal people we have always been.
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Alex Bogdanov
Dont worry Stuckinarut2. I personally find it funny how my decision made JWs angry. Think about how sad is their life if someone like me or you are leaving. We can't change anything, we can't affect minds of millions people, but JWs take it as an insult. I only laugh because it is crazy that some JWs mood depends on what I think about the GB 😂😂😂
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Alex Bogdanov
It is hilarious how GB say they don't need money as God is on their side. But when they have shortage of money it seems God doesn't support their ministry work. I am originally from Latvia and when I became a JW they were teaching that God is doing their work, not the money. But when in 2008 the global economic crises happened and people in Latvia couldn't donate as usual the GB decided that the ministry in Latvia is not important. They sold the Bethel building in the capital's centre. Got rid of the staff. Send a few brothers to Finland's Bethel to translate and make literature and opened a small office in Latvia with a few brothers. So from many people who worked for the Bethel only a few left. As well Latvia had nearly 100 missionaries and special pioneers all together. How I know not more than 10 left. So the BIG and IMPORTANT work that is directed by God fully depends on cash. The GB are a joke 🤣🤣
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Certificate Of Destruction--by request!
by Atlantis inin your message, you wanted to know what the "certificate ofdestruction" used by the watchtower records department looks like.
(as soon as atlantis gets a copy i'll send it to you.
)please view this leaked video and go to 33 minutes of the video.
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Alex Bogdanov
Thank you Atlantis 👍
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Mother is terrified over talks of peace.
by Searching injust spoke with my mother about the summit for north and south korea, her face turned a ghastly pale and she refused to talk to me about it afterwards.
i know exactly what is on her mind, and i'm not sure if i can say or do anything to assuage her fears about this being a fulfillment of prophecy.
any suggestions on what i could perhaps tell her to try and steer her from her line of thinking?
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Alex Bogdanov
Remind your mum about when USSR collapsed. The day when Americans and Russians thought they will leave in peace. The day when communist regimes where falling a part and all world was turning into one big family. The day when many witnesses thought Jehova himself destroyed USSR as no one on the planet could have guessed that, even Americans. The day when many witnesses thought that JW work will be allowed not only in Russia, but in China etc. So what do we have now? USA and Russia continue to fight. All world didn't became one family and countries continue to hate each other. JW dreams of whitnessing in China fully collapsed. But GB doesn't care about 1 billion people! that didn't get the good news and the Armagedon will come despite of that. GB are total losers in their prophecies all of their crap isn't happening but the Armagedon is coming. Vile people
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Wealth, Poverty, and Morality
by SecondRateMind ini am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.
apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.
luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.
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Alex Bogdanov
You raise a very difficult question. Many philosophers thought about it. Taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor wont solve the problem for a long time. What are the problems we as people can't solve?
1. Human nature. Laziness. There are a lot of people who are lazy. Rich or poor. But to live in an equal world everyone has to give their energy and time.
2. You would have to move people from areas that dont produce anything. A farmer from South Carolina will produce five times more than a farmer from Siberia. Hence American farmer is already richer by doing the same work.
3. How much money will you give to artists and scientists? The experience of USSR shows that when people don't get big money for their developments they stop to create. In USSR a scientist would get 500 rubles, but a builder 300 rubles. One of the reasons USSR collapsed is because the country stopped producing innovation. The reason is people lost creativity as there was nothing that would stimulate them.
4. We love freedom. What will you do with people who want 10 children? It is obvious that they won't be able to educate all of them, but that is their choice. Will you stop freedom.
I think you need to read books on communism. Communists themselves came to a conclusion that at the moment we can't create equal world. Maybe later when we will use robots for manual work. But that is still maybe
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Wt video this week big problem.
by poopie inproblem with this week's video on counsel.
why did they emphasize the counsel and not the fact that those who were watching movie should have followed christ counsel at mathew 5 go to your brother instead they ratted on the guy to an elder and let him do dirty work.wow just totally ignore jesus words..
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Alex Bogdanov
The problem is that there are a lot of people that think that a position with in a congregation means something. I know a brother who was a great guy, but one day he decided he wants to be an elder. He fully changed and lost all his character. And as soon as he had a chance to tell on someone he didn't hesitate. He was doing anything just look good in front of CO. Sometimes I think when people can't succeed outside the KH they turn into horrible people who want to establish themselves in the Organisation and these type of people GB loves. As these people will sell their own parents just to get a tap on their head from the CO -
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You Might Be in a Cult if...
by awake!watcher in... you are told to trust the slave as you do jehovah and jesus..
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If you see that the cult members avoid their disfellowshiped family members. For example I know a family where parents dont talk to their daughter for many years. Insane behaviour. And by doing so they think they serve God. Most likely in Gods eyes people who behave like that are some sort of creatures that lost all of their human qualities.
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Are You Proud of Your Country?
by snugglebunny insome people are of the opinion that it doesn't make any sense to be proud of one's nationality because we had nothing to do with where we were born.
the decision wasn't ours.
they opine that it's ludicrous to be proud of our countries' prior achievements if we had no part in those achievements because we weren't even around then.
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Alex Bogdanov
I am not just proud of my country I am proud of any country that is developing and moving forward. I was born in a country that doesn't exist anymore - USSR. I lived in Latvia. Now I live in UK, Wales. My wife is Welsh. My family/relatives live in - Latvia, Russia, Germany. I feel happy and proud about UK, Larvia and Germany as they are developing. But I feel sad for Russia as its totally lost the plot. I never connected countrie's past with my life. UK is not my motherland, but I feel passionate about it and because its my home I am trying to make it better by helping my neighbours, keeping the street clean and supporting local charities.
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Withdrawing community support in the congs
by purrpurr ini've noticed in the past 10 years that the social support that used to be available in the congs, a shoulder to cry on, elders to help with family/marriage issues these seem to have been purposely withdrawn.
counsel is even heard from the platform that the elders are not there to help people with their problems.. so first in the 80s-90s they take away the congregation get to getters and social events and now they seem to be going one step further in taking away the emotional support for people too.. this will take away an aspect that i'm sure was keeping alot of people in the borg, the community support.
if that's not there and its just about meetings and ministry how many will start to get their emotional support elsewhere?.
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Alex Bogdanov
Spiral. Yes, I agree. Maybe then in a few decades the JW will become a smal group. Hopefully 😃👍